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ped for riding safely, attempted to pass a bus and was routed around it.=
 When the skinny tires hit the divet, he most likely lost control as the=
 bike "snapped" into the street, forcing him into a collision course with=
 the bus. But this is all conjecture. Honestly, I think the skinny-rimmed=
 lightweight bikes are a bad idea for the city.. there's no metal protecti=
ng you from the road or dangerous conditions.

I think the whole situation could have been avoided, but perhaps advocacy=
 for a bicycle lane to be put there would help offset the traffic and prot=
ect bicyclists from the option of passing into a dangerous road situation?

Maybe the MBTA should get public works to put markings down at the tracks=
 to warn that passing in that particular spot is dangerous?

Other ideas?

--------------------
Angela Morley

On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 8:33 PM,  <thom3 at aol.com> wrote:

 Hey it's anarchy, order and community... it's a single cell definition of=
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-----Original Message-----
From: rob levy <r.p.levy at gmail.com>
To: Boston Critical Mass <list at bostoncriticalmass.org>

Sent: Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:44 pm
Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Memory of Eric M. Hunt

Not to derail this thread off main the topic (how to honor the bicyclist=
 that was killed by a bus driver), but those say that CM is not a working=
 example of anarchy as an effective mode of interaction and societal organ=
ization could probably stand to educate themselves about the history, theo=
ry, and working practices of anarchy.  Here is a good place to start: http=
://econfaculty.gmu.edu/bcaplan/anarfaq.htm =20

Debian & Ubuntu users can get a copy by typing apt-get install anarchism.

Rob

On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Sam u <comradesema at yahoo.com> wrote:

Hey everyone as most of you had already heard weve lost another member of=
 our community this wednesday due to a questionable collision with an MBTA=
 bus in Boston, and though the circumstances of this tragedy are still und=
er investigation it doesent really matter who was at fault. Every one of=
 us faces the risk every time we go out riding in this city and I believe=
 it would be very appropriate to dedicate this months Critical Mass to his=
 memory. Perhaps a moment of silence or some home made signs and t shirts,=
 Im not sure but we are a close knit community and should pay our respect=
 in the best way we can. You can feel free to email me with any suggestion=
s I will be personally taking that friday of work to join everyone else in=
 the ride to raise awareness of our presence on the road and will be ridin=
g a neon green dual shock mountain bike, dont be shy and say whats up. And=
 remember to be extra cautious when commuting around town.

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<div> <font size=3D"2"><font face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Two tho=
ughts. One, bikers should not challenge buses to be right even if they are=
.But more so, the MBTA really needs to step up the awareness thing with bu=
ses. It's not just with bikes, but peds as they rev up and blow through re=
d lights and the cars they intimidate as they pull out from a stop. I real=
ly can't believe this has not been a front and center matter for the MBTA=
 head honchos.</font></font><br>
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<div>No problem Thom. Just the conversations are completely different, and=
 unrelated. BCM has different definitions to everyone, but I'll tell you,=
 I'll never participate in a ride if the ride breaks the rules of the road=
. I'm the one that always stops at red lights, not just because it's safer=
, but because it gives you a little rest before moving on. Oh, and you can=
 get ticketed for breaking traffic regulations on a bike (one of the reaso=
ns I don't feel too bad for BCM when police forces intervene... don't brea=
k traffic laws and you won't be in trouble! Bikes equal vehicles, after al=
l.)</div>

<div><br>
</div>

<div>Anyway, I digress..</div>

<div><br>
</div>
I'm reading through some of the information available, and it's kind of in=
teresting. Apparently he had "150 feet" between when he got stuck in the=
 rivet and lost control at the bus. I'll tell you a properly equipped bike=
 at 400 lbs can stop within 20 feet at most, 10 if you brake hard travelin=
g at 15 MPH. That's with full disc brakes and feet stability.
<div>
<br>
</div>

<div>I'd almost say it was the bus' fault, but the bike he was riding, fro=
m the looks of the photo, is a fixed gear bike, probably with limited brak=
ing potential. Doesn't Massachusetts law determine a minimum distance for=
 a bicycle to come to a halt during all-brakes on?</div>

<div><br>
</div>

<div>From the looks of it, the bicyclist was going too fast on a bike ill-=
equipped for riding safely, attempted to pass a bus and was routed around=
 it. When the skinny tires hit the divet, he most likely lost control as=
 the bike "snapped" into the street, forcing him into a collision course=
 with the bus. But this is all conjecture. Honestly, I think the skinny-ri=
mmed lightweight bikes are a bad idea for the city.. there's no metal prot=
ecting you from the road or dangerous conditions.</div>

<div><br>
</div>

<div>I think the whole situation could have been avoided, but perhaps advo=
cacy for a bicycle lane to be put there would help offset the traffic and=
 protect bicyclists from the option of passing into a dangerous road situa=
tion?</div>

<div><br>
</div>

<div>Maybe the MBTA should get public works to put markings down at the tr=
acks to warn that passing in that particular spot is dangerous?</div>

<div><br>
</div>

<div>Other ideas?<br>

<div><br clear=3D"all">--------------------<br>

Angela Morley<br>
<br>

<br>
<br>

<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 8:33 PM,  <span dir=3D"=
ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:thom3 at aol.com">thom3 at aol.com</a>&gt;</span> wro=
te:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204,=
 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<font color=3D"black" face=3D"arial" size=3D"2">

<div> <font size=3D"2"><font face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hey it'=
s anarchy, order and community... it's a single cell definition of life</f=
ont></font><br>

</div>

<div> <br>

</div>

<div style=3D"clear: both;"></div>

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</div>

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<div class=3D"im">-----Original Message-----<br>

From: rob levy &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:r.p.levy at gmail.com">r.p.levy at gmail.co=
m</a>&gt;<br>

To: Boston Critical Mass &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:list at bostoncriticalmass.org=
">list at bostoncriticalmass.org</a>&gt;<br>
</div>

<div class=3D"im">
Sent: Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:44 pm<br>

Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Memory of Eric M. Hunt<br>

<br>

</div>

<div>
<div></div>

<div class=3D"h5">
<div>

<div>Not to derail this thread off main the topic (how to honor the bicycl=
ist that was killed by a bus driver), but those say that CM is not a worki=
ng example of anarchy as an effective mode of interaction and societal org=
anization could probably stand to educate themselves about the history, th=
eory, and working practices of anarchy. &nbsp;Here is a good place to star=
t:&nbsp;<a target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/bcaplan/an=
arfaq.htm">http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/bcaplan/anarfaq.htm</a> &nbsp;</div>

<div><br>

</div>

<div>Debian &amp;&nbsp;Ubuntu&nbsp;users can get a copy by typing apt-get=
 install anarchism.</div>

<div><br>

</div>

<div>Rob</div>

<br>

<div class=3D"gmail_quote">
On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Sam u <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:comradesema at yahoo.com">comradesema at yahoo.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br=
>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204,=
 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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nt-weight: inherit; font-size: inherit; line-height: inherit; font-size-ad=
just: inherit; font-stretch: inherit;" valign=3D"top">
Hey everyone as most of you had already heard weve lost another member of=
 our community this wednesday due to a questionable collision with an MBTA=
 bus in Boston, and though the circumstances of this tragedy are still und=
er investigation it doesent really matter who was at fault. Every one of=
 us faces the risk every time we go out riding in this city and I believe=
 it would be very appropriate to dedicate this months Critical Mass to his=
 memory. Perhaps a moment of silence or some home made signs and t shirts,=
 Im not sure but we are a close knit community and should pay our respect=
 in the best way we can. You can feel free to email me with any suggestion=
s I will be personally taking that friday of work to join everyone else in=
 the ride to raise awareness of our presence on the road and will be ridin=
g a neon green dual shock mountain bike, dont be shy and say
 whats up. And remember to be extra cautious when commuting around town.</=
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