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ill-equipped for riding safely, attempted to pass a bus and was routed
around it. When the skinny tires hit the divet, he most likely lost control
as the bike "snapped" into the street, forcing him into a collision course
with the bus. But this is all conjecture. Honestly, I think the
skinny-rimmed lightweight bikes are a bad idea for the city.. there's no
metal protecting you from the road or dangerous conditions.

I think the whole situation could have been avoided, but perhaps advocacy
for a bicycle lane to be put there would help offset the traffic and protect
bicyclists from the option of passing into a dangerous road situation?

Maybe the MBTA should get public works to put markings down at the tracks to
warn that passing in that particular spot is dangerous?

Other ideas?

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Angela Morley

On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 8:33 PM, <thom3 at aol.com> wrote:

>  Hey it's anarchy, order and community... it's a single cell definition of
> life
>
>
>
>  -----Original Message-----
> From: rob levy <r.p.levy at gmail.com>
> To: Boston Critical Mass <list at bostoncriticalmass.org>
> Sent: Sun, Apr 11, 2010 6:44 pm
> Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Memory of Eric M. Hunt
>
>  Not to derail this thread off main the topic (how to honor the bicyclist
> that was killed by a bus driver), but those say that CM is not a working
> example of anarchy as an effective mode of interaction and societal
> organization could probably stand to educate themselves about the history,
> theory, and working practices of anarchy.  Here is a good place to start:
> http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/bcaplan/anarfaq.htm
>
>  Debian & Ubuntu users can get a copy by typing apt-get install anarchism.
>
>  Rob
>
>  On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Sam u <comradesema at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey everyone as most of you had already heard weve lost another member of
>> our community this wednesday due to a questionable collision with an MBTA
>> bus in Boston, and though the circumstances of this tragedy are still under
>> investigation it doesent really matter who was at fault. Every one of us
>> faces the risk every time we go out riding in this city and I believe it
>> would be very appropriate to dedicate this months Critical Mass to his
>> memory. Perhaps a moment of silence or some home made signs and t shirts, Im
>> not sure but we are a close knit community and should pay our respect in the
>> best way we can. You can feel free to email me with any suggestions I will
>> be personally taking that friday of work to join everyone else in the ride
>> to raise awareness of our presence on the road and will be riding a neon
>> green dual shock mountain bike, dont be shy and say whats up. And remember
>> to be extra cautious when commuting around town.
>>
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<div>No problem Thom. Just the conversations are completely different, and =
unrelated. BCM has different definitions to everyone, but I&#39;ll tell you=
, I&#39;ll never participate in a ride if the ride breaks the rules of the =
road. I&#39;m the one that always stops at red lights, not just because it&=
#39;s safer, but because it gives you a little rest before moving on. Oh, a=
nd you can get ticketed for breaking traffic regulations on a bike (one of =
the reasons I don&#39;t feel too bad for BCM when police forces intervene..=
. don&#39;t break traffic laws and you won&#39;t be in trouble! Bikes equal=
 vehicles, after all.)</div>
<div><br></div><div>Anyway, I digress..</div><div><br></div>I&#39;m reading=
 through some of the information available, and it&#39;s kind of interestin=
g. Apparently he had &quot;150 feet&quot; between when he got stuck in the =
rivet and lost control at the bus. I&#39;ll tell you a properly equipped bi=
ke at 400 lbs can stop within 20 feet at most, 10 if you brake hard traveli=
ng at 15 MPH. That&#39;s with full disc brakes and feet stability.<div>
<br></div><div>I&#39;d almost say it was the bus&#39; fault, but the bike h=
e was riding, from the looks of the photo, is a fixed gear bike, probably w=
ith limited braking potential. Doesn&#39;t Massachusetts law determine a mi=
nimum distance for a bicycle to come to a halt during all-brakes on?</div>
<div><br></div><div>From the looks of it, the bicyclist was going too fast =
on a bike ill-equipped for riding safely, attempted to pass a bus and was r=
outed around it. When the skinny tires hit the divet, he most likely lost c=
ontrol as the bike &quot;snapped&quot; into the street, forcing him into a =
collision course with the bus. But this is all conjecture. Honestly, I thin=
k the skinny-rimmed lightweight bikes are a bad idea for the city.. there&#=
39;s no metal protecting you from the road or dangerous conditions.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I think the whole situation could have been avoided, bu=
t perhaps advocacy for a bicycle lane to be put there would help offset the=
 traffic and protect bicyclists from the option of passing into a dangerous=
 road situation?</div>
<div><br></div><div>Maybe the MBTA should get public works to put markings =
down at the tracks to warn that passing in that particular spot is dangerou=
s?</div><div><br></div><div>Other ideas?<br><div><br clear=3D"all">--------=
------------<br>
Angela Morley<br><br>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Apr 11, 2010 at 8:33 PM,  <span =
dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:thom3 at aol.com">thom3 at aol.com</a>&gt;</spa=
n> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<font color=3D"black" size=3D"2" face=3D"arial">
<div> <font size=3D"2"><font face=3D"Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hey it&#=
39;s anarchy, order and community... it&#39;s a single cell definition of l=
ife</font></font><br>
</div>

<div> <br>
</div>

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<div> <br>
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<div>Not to derail this thread off main the topic (how to honor the bicycli=
st that was killed by a bus driver), but those say that CM is not a working=
 example of anarchy as an effective mode of interaction and societal organi=
zation could probably stand to educate themselves about the history, theory=
, and working practices of anarchy. =A0Here is a good place to start:=A0<a =
href=3D"http://econfaculty.gmu.edu/bcaplan/anarfaq.htm" target=3D"_blank">h=
ttp://econfaculty.gmu.edu/bcaplan/anarfaq.htm</a> =A0</div>

<div><br>
</div>

<div>Debian &amp;=A0Ubuntu=A0users can get a copy by typing apt-get install=
 anarchism.</div>

<div><br>
</div>

<div>Rob</div>
<br>

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On Sat, Apr 10, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Sam u <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mai=
lto:comradesema at yahoo.com" target=3D"_blank">comradesema at yahoo.com</a>&gt;<=
/span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left:1px solid rgb(204, 2=
04, 204);margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;padding-left:1ex">
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t:inherit;font-size:inherit;line-height:inherit;font-size-adjust:inherit;fo=
nt-stretch:inherit" valign=3D"top">
Hey everyone as most of you had already heard weve lost another member of o=
ur community this wednesday due to a questionable collision with an MBTA bu=
s in Boston, and though the circumstances of this tragedy are still under i=
nvestigation it doesent really matter who was at fault. Every one of us fac=
es the risk every time we go out riding in this city and I believe it would=
 be very appropriate to dedicate this months Critical Mass to his memory. P=
erhaps a moment of silence or some home made signs and t shirts, Im not sur=
e but we are a close knit community and should pay our respect in the best =
way we can. You can feel free to email me with any suggestions I will be pe=
rsonally taking that friday of work to join everyone else in the ride to ra=
ise awareness of our presence on the road and will be riding a neon green d=
ual shock mountain bike, dont be shy and say
 whats up. And remember to be extra cautious when commuting around town.</t=
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