[*BCM*] Awareness Test

[Andrew Toomajian]

Tom, Jym, both of you need to go and sit in the corner for 10 minutes until you can play nice.

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> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:30:28 -0400
> From: trevay at massbike.org
> To: list at bostoncriticalmass.org
> Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Awareness Test
> 
> You're a smart guy, Jym.  No-one needs to explain to you the
> difference between having a "disagreement" (which you implicitly
> acknowledge exists on the topic -- thank you!), and "disagreeable"
> (which is an attitude, not a difference of opinion).
> 
> In fact, one might conclude that your attempt to substitute the second
> term for the first illustrates how cleverly you can use words when you
> won't take responsibility for what you've written.  But you did write
> them -- again, here is YOUR statement:
> 
> > >  =v= Judging from the discussion on other email lists,
> > >  the resulting PSA wouldn't say, "Look out for cyclists."
> > >  It would say, "That thing you didn't notice should be
> > >  wearing a hideous screaming neon yellow jacket, and so
> > >  should cyclists, and if they don't, it's their own damn
> > >  fault if motorists don't see them, because motorists
> > >  are never to blame for anything, ever."
> > >     <_Jym_>
> 
> That's the assertion you've been challenged to back up.
> 
> Do you do this?  No.  Even though I offered you the opportunity to do
> so, when I wrote:
> 
>     > > That doesn't change the fact that you've made baseless claims.
>     > > But you may dispute this, of course, by enlightening us, and back up
>     > > your statements:  which list or lists do you refer to?  And what,
>     > > exactly, would have you make this allegation about MassBike, with
>     > > regard to this video?
> 
> From this paragraph, you eliminate both the context and the second
> (and more important) question, and quote only this:
> 
>     > > which list or lists do you refer to?
> 
> -- which asks where one might see the "other email lists" *you* refer
> to.  And that's a valid question, since it goes directly to the source
> for your assertion.
> 
> Do you favor us with an answer?  Oh, heck, no!  Instead, you puff-up
> an indignant little tantrum:
> 
> > =v= You can't even apologize for your unwarranted, inaccurate,
> > off-topic attack and then you demand to know yet more material
> > to use to bore this list with additional flaming metadiscussion?
> 
> -- a tantrum that is, itself, an off-topic metadiscussion.  It's also
> another attempt to change the subject away from my encouraging you to
> own and explain *your own words*.  Clever!  But it's not "more
> material" -- it's what *you* wrote in the first place!
> 
> You won't back up your assertion, of course, because you can't.  And
> if you stayed on-topic, you would have to admit you've libeled
> MassBike.  So your answers are evasive.
> 
> Well, your evasions are noted.  I won't ask you again.
> 
> But sure, I'll join you on ending this.  Yes, game over -- please!
> Your drive-by libel game isn't fun for anyone ... not even you, I bet.
> 
> So like you, I'm done!
> 
> 
> -- Tom
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