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<body class='hmmessage'><div style="text-align: left;">Tom, Jym, both of you need to go and sit in the corner for 10 minutes until you can play nice.<br></div><br><div><font size="1">____________________________________________________________________________________________________</font><font face="Times New Roman, Times, Serif" size="1"><br><font size="1"><font size="2"><br><font style="font-family: Times New Roman,Times,Serif;" size="3"><em>"I never think about beauty. I think only how to solve the problem. </em></font></font></font></font></div>
<div><font style="font-family: Times New Roman,Times,Serif;" size="3"><em>But when I have finished, if the solution is not beautiful, I know it is wrong."<br><br>- R. Buckminster Fuller</em></font><br><font face="Times New Roman, Times, Serif" size="1"><em><font size="1"><font size="2">________________________________________________________________________</font></font></em></font><br><span style="font-weight: bold; font-family: Times New Roman,Times,Serif;"></span><font face="Times New Roman, Times, Serif" size="3"><em></em></font><br><br><br></div><br><br><hr id="stopSpelling">> Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 13:30:28 -0400<br>> From: trevay@massbike.org<br>> To: list@bostoncriticalmass.org<br>> Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Awareness Test<br>> <br>> You're a smart guy, Jym. No-one needs to explain to you the<br>> difference between having a "disagreement" (which you implicitly<br>> acknowledge exists on the topic -- thank you!), and "disagreeable"<br>> (which is an attitude, not a difference of opinion).<br>> <br>> In fact, one might conclude that your attempt to substitute the second<br>> term for the first illustrates how cleverly you can use words when you<br>> won't take responsibility for what you've written. But you did write<br>> them -- again, here is YOUR statement:<br>> <br>> > > =v= Judging from the discussion on other email lists,<br>> > > the resulting PSA wouldn't say, "Look out for cyclists."<br>> > > It would say, "That thing you didn't notice should be<br>> > > wearing a hideous screaming neon yellow jacket, and so<br>> > > should cyclists, and if they don't, it's their own damn<br>> > > fault if motorists don't see them, because motorists<br>> > > are never to blame for anything, ever."<br>> > > <_Jym_><br>> <br>> That's the assertion you've been challenged to back up.<br>> <br>> Do you do this? No. Even though I offered you the opportunity to do<br>> so, when I wrote:<br>> <br>> > > That doesn't change the fact that you've made baseless claims.<br>> > > But you may dispute this, of course, by enlightening us, and back up<br>> > > your statements: which list or lists do you refer to? And what,<br>> > > exactly, would have you make this allegation about MassBike, with<br>> > > regard to this video?<br>> <br>> From this paragraph, you eliminate both the context and the second<br>> (and more important) question, and quote only this:<br>> <br>> > > which list or lists do you refer to?<br>> <br>> -- which asks where one might see the "other email lists" *you* refer<br>> to. And that's a valid question, since it goes directly to the source<br>> for your assertion.<br>> <br>> Do you favor us with an answer? Oh, heck, no! Instead, you puff-up<br>> an indignant little tantrum:<br>> <br>> > =v= You can't even apologize for your unwarranted, inaccurate,<br>> > off-topic attack and then you demand to know yet more material<br>> > to use to bore this list with additional flaming metadiscussion?<br>> <br>> -- a tantrum that is, itself, an off-topic metadiscussion. It's also<br>> another attempt to change the subject away from my encouraging you to<br>> own and explain *your own words*. Clever! But it's not "more<br>> material" -- it's what *you* wrote in the first place!<br>> <br>> You won't back up your assertion, of course, because you can't. And<br>> if you stayed on-topic, you would have to admit you've libeled<br>> MassBike. So your answers are evasive.<br>> <br>> Well, your evasions are noted. I won't ask you again.<br>> <br>> But sure, I'll join you on ending this. Yes, game over -- please!<br>> Your drive-by libel game isn't fun for anyone ... not even you, I bet.<br>> <br>> So like you, I'm done!<br>> <br>> <br>> -- Tom<br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Boston Critical Mass mailing list<br>> list@bostoncriticalmass.org<br>> http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list<br>> To unsubscribe email list-unsubscribe@bostoncriticalmass.org<br><br /><hr />Windows Live Hotmail is giving away Zunes. <a href='http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/ZuneADay/?locale=en-US&ocid=TXT_TAGLM_Mobile_Zune_V1' target='_new'> Enter for your chance to win.</a></body>
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