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Not only that, but "rules" and any system of hierarchy or structure 
organization are kind of contrary to CM in and of itself.

Some are just common sense (get out of the way of fire and ambulance, and 
I'm sorry for those of you that want to "stick it to the man," but police 
w/ sirens on count for this rule too. They're first responders to any 911 
call, and they're more often than not trying to help someone, not just 
fuck us over.) whereas others, like limiting scooters or whatnot, are kind 
of asinine and probably not going to be well received by CMers as a whole. 
If someone stands up and says "hey all we're gonna pull out now and btw 
make sure you've read your weekly rules and regs digest," there'd probably 
be confusion and resentment to say the least.

just my 2 digs,
--yuki

(that said yesterday was my first CM in boston and it was awesome, so 
thanks to everyone who was there and that made it fun)

On Sat, 29 Sep 2007, Lee Peters wrote:

> Your intentions are pure and many on this list agree with your intentions.  Everyone has to realize that many participants at the ride itself are not on this listserve.  Setting up ground rules would take communicating your intentions to the hundreds of actual riders to change CM.  You may even find resistance to rules among the members of the list, too.
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> If you try, I am sure you will make some progress and find allies.
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>  From: ThoM3 at aol.com
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>  Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 10:16 PM
>  Subject: Re: [*BCM*] This is the coolest thread I've ever been a member of
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>  While this email does not make entire sense, it raises some long standing concerns with CM, mostly underscored by the proposed  "loose rules" outlined earlier and the Cantabridgian who saw CM not yield to an ambulance.
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>  In recent rides (I was not there tonite) I have seen an increase in a) running red lights (not massing and passing) b) a lack of desire to mass up c) antagonizing motorists trapped and d) worst of all, a desire to get into it with the cops.
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>  While run ins with cops has always been an issue, people were smart about it, dealing with the authorities, not bait and run. This is just wrong and defeats the purpose of CM.
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>  I love you guys, but we need to bring it back to square one..
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>  In a message dated 9/28/2007 9:40:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mholley345 at aol.com writes:
>    Well I just got back from CM and there were a number of things I would like to bring up, as we bike to assert our rights on the road
>    it's important to realize that we are pissing some people off, who cares right but when our group breaks down and we become single riders again there is a certain amount of peril involved I personally was assaulted by a New Hampshire  driver several years ago after I separated from the group and even tonite after
>    i was sepated in Camb the cops were somewhat hostile, anyway i must go but please be aware of this and i'm inteerested in knowing if there are other
>    people who have experienced the same,
>         On another tact we should always ride around City Hall and the statehouse, that may have been the most fulfilling moment I have ever had at CM
>    that and stopping on The bridge to admirew the beauty of a moonrise,  Thanks to all who attended and to all those who gawked.   Michael
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