[*BCM*] Scooters in the bike lanes

[thom3 at aol.com]

I believe I already sent out the sections.... but I've been busy hiking and INet access is limited, so you can take my word, look it up or dig back a bit in this thread. 

I also emailed Camb City Hall bike contact and am waiting to hear back. The interesting thing will be Mass State law vs Local law and the interpretations by authorities.


Tom


-----Original Message-----
From: Robotica <androidqueen at gmail.com>
To: thom3 <thom3 at aol.com>
Cc: Boston Critical Mass <list at bostoncriticalmass.org>
Sent: Sat, 22 Sep 2007 6:40 pm
Subject: Re: Re: [*BCM*] Scooters in the bike lanes



Usually, the burden of proof rests on those making assertions.  :)

On 9/22/07, thom3 <thom3 at aol.com> wrote:
> You need to look harder re camb.
>
> ------Original Message------
> From: Robotica <androidqueen at gmail.com>
> To: "Boston Critical Mass" <list at bostoncriticalmass.org>
> Date: Sat, Sep 22, 2007 11:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Scooters in the bike lanes
>
> 25 MPH is much faster than a cyclist?
>
> It sounds to me like you're railing against irresponsible use of the
> bike lane, not scooter use of a bike lane.  I'd be concerned about a
> cyclist weaving in and out of traffic just as much.  I'd even say that
> I've nearly been hit by irresponsible cyclists much more often than
> I've nearly been hit by irresponsible scooter operators.
>
> Also, the only laws I can find that say scooters aren't allowed on
> bike paths in Cambridge specifically state off-street bike paths, not
> bike lanes. It looks like they are otherwise treated like bicycles.
>
> -m
>
> On 9/22/07, ThoM3 at aol.com <ThoM3 at aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Scooters and Moped can go 25 MPH, much faster than cyclist, they use the
> > bike land for passing cars on the right and the road for cyclist on the left
> > and weave. A scooter or moped has a bigger imprint, and is less agile when
> > in comes to passing in tight quarters and thus creates a less safe
> > environment for bikers.
> >
> > You're point about cars is funny and spot on. It is however illegal for a
> > car to be in the bike lane and according to Cambridge law, it's illegal for
> > mopeds and scooters as well.
> >
> > In a message dated 9/22/2007 3:41:58 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> > symboliceon at hotmail.com writes:
> > who the hell cares about scooters? i pass them like anyone else on a bike,
> > so obviously i just see them as other cyclists.. tho slower and lazier. the
> > bike lane serves three purposes for drivers: 1 - a place to drive slowly in
> > order to find a parking spot. 2 - a reeeeally large area in which they can
> > throw their driver's side door open without having to worry about other cars
> > taking it out. 3 - they can double park in the bike lane without having to
> > worry about getting a ticket as the BTD has a very limited understanding of
> > things.
> >
> > i guess my point is that roads with bike lanes aren't actually all that much
> > safer for cyclists. the room on the road is nice and all, but i think the
> > best way to take control of the situation regarding cyclists vs. everyone
> > else would be to press for legislation that would include cyclist awareness
> > in the tests folks have to take in order to gain a license for their motor
> > vehicles.
> >
> >
> >
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