[*BCM*] Laws - why did you change my subject line?

[John Hays]

Some people don't receive individual emails, but get a daily or weekly 
digest of all the post, with the subject line that says "<group  name>, 
Digest, Vol X, Issue Y". When you reply to a digest, the digest title 
gets put into the subject line. No need to get all persnickety about 
subject lines. And even if that wasn't the case - why get all pissy 
about a changed subject line anyway?

- John


Lee Peters wrote:
> I would refer you all to the "two wrongs don't make a right, but three 
> lefts make a right" law.
>
> Or, if it were a child hit by the car, then everyone would go after 
> the driver.... hmmm double standard? or is it everyone's duty to drive 
> defensively.  Yea.
>
> Or, in a world in which cars don't exist, would there be a need for 
> one-way streets?  Again, we aren't represented and function at the 
> margins.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Ledlie" <timledlie at gmail.com>
> To: <list at bostoncriticalmass.org>
> Cc: <lfpeters at gis.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 4:32 PM
> Subject: Re: Bostoncriticalmass Digest, Vol 28, Issue 1
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>
>> Although obviously unfortunate, it was her fault for biking the wrong
>> way down a one-way street.  At least she wasn't badly hurt and she'll
>> (hopefully) be able to learn from her mistake.
>>
>> Why would the van driver get a ticket for doing nothing wrong
>> (assuming he came to a complete stop at the stop sign)?  Why should it
>> be the legal responsibility for one vehicle operator to allow for
>> illegal actions of another?  It may be a good idea to do so, but it
>> certainly should not be the law.
>>
>> I wish that more cyclists would follow the law.  I think this is the
>> first step in getting motor vehicles to respect cyclists.  Red lights
>> make for a good example: if I'm driving a car, waiting at a red light,
>> and a cyclist goes by me through the red light, why should I cut him
>> any slack / treat him legally like a vehicle when I see him again
>> further down the road?  And when motor vehicle drivers see most
>> cyclists breaking the law, they assume that all cyclists are the same.
>>
>> Just imagine how motor vehicle drivers would act differently towards
>> cyclists if all cyclists were law-abiding.  Am I being too idealistic?
>>
>> Of course, there are situations as a cyclist where you put yourself in
>> danger by following the law, and I believe you should break the law in
>> these rare situations.  But I think these situations don't happen very
>> often, much less than many people think.
>>
>> -Tim
>>
>>
>> On 10/3/06, bostoncriticalmass-request at bostoncriticalmass.org
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 16:42:29 -0400
>>> From: "Lee Peters" <lfpeters at gis.net>
>>> Subject: [*BCM*] Laws
>>> To: "Boston Critical Mass" <list at bostoncriticalmass.org>
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>>> There was a bike accident in front of my house this afternoon.  The 
>>> ambulance was called and she seems ok.  The EMT actually put her 
>>> bike in the back of the truck and either brought her home or to the 
>>> hospital.
>>>
>>> How did it happen?
>>>
>>> Well, she was going the wrong way on my one-way street.  The driver 
>>> of a van pulled out in front of her at an intersection without 
>>> looking the 'wrong' way down the street.  I didn't see if the driver 
>>> made a full stop for the stop sign.
>>>
>>> Granted, it wouldn't happen if she wasn't going the wrong 
>>> direction----BUT is there a law that says look BOTH ways before 
>>> proceeding through a stop sign?
>>>
>>> The rationalization that flowed from the driver's mouth was 
>>> astonishing. I don't believe he got any kind of ticket.
>>>
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>>> Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 17:00:54 -0400 (EDT)
>>> From: Jim Leonard <vleonard at infinet.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Laws
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>>> On Mon, 2 Oct 2006, Lee Peters wrote:
>>>
>>> > Well, she was going the wrong way on my one-way street.  The 
>>> driver of > a
>>> > van pulled out in front of her at an intersection without looking the
>>> > 'wrong' way down the street.
>>>
>>> Going through an intersection the wrong way is one of the most 
>>> dangerous
>>> things you can do on a bicycle especially at any speed.
>>>
>>> > Granted, it wouldn't happen if she wasn't going the wrong
>>> > direction----BUT is there a law that says look BOTH ways before
>>> > proceeding through a stop sign?
>>>
>>> Not in those words but I think the following does apply.  It does 
>>> hurt the
>>> bicylist's case that she was not legal traffic, but I don't think the
>>> driver of the van would be able to collect damages either.
>>>
>>> >From 89 section 9 of Mass General Laws
>>> (http://www.mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/89-9.htm)
>>>
>>> Except when directed to proceed by a police officer, every driver of a
>>> vehicle approaching a stop sign or a flashing red signal indication 
>>> shall
>>> stop at a clearly marked stop line, but if none, before entering the
>>> crosswalk on the near side of the intersection, or, if none, then at 
>>> the
>>> point nearest the intersecting roadway where the driver has a view of
>>> approaching traffic on the intersecting roadway before entering it. 
>>> After
>>> having stopped, the driver shall yield the right of way to any 
>>> vehicle in
>>> the intersection or approaching on another roadway so closely as to
>>> constitute an immediate hazard during the time when such driver is 
>>> moving
>>> across or within the intersection or junction of roadways.
>>>
>>> --jim
>>>
>>>
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