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<P>I typically see 3+ cars <U>per day</U> run red lights... I have <U>never</U> witnessed one get a ticket. In the last two weeks I have seen 4 cyclists get tickets / warnings at that one intersection.</P>
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<P>The majority of people that complain about cyclists running red lights are the people in their cars that are just upset that they are being passed by a bicycle. *MOST* cyclists (not all) slow down at red lights, look to see if it is safe, and then go through. THIS IS WAAAAAAAAY less likely to injure someone, than a car speeding up to make the yellow.</P>
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<P>The people in their cars who are all squeezed up about a bike getting through the intersection before them are too easily irritated... which is a common side effect of driving near boston. A simple cure is for them to get on a bike instead into their car.<BR></P>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">----- Original Message ----<BR>From: Rob Arnold <rsarnold@gmail.com><BR>To: Boston Critical Mass <list@bostoncriticalmass.org><BR>Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 3:59:17 PM<BR>Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Longfellow / Cambridge Bike Police<BR><BR>
<DIV dir=ltr><SPAN>Nevertheless, the number of people killed/injured by cars far exceed the number of people killed/injured by bikes.</SPAN><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Anne Wolfe <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:goannego@gmail.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:goannego@gmail.com">goannego@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Cyclists who run red lights are at greater risk of potential harm as when they're struck by oncoming traffic they have nothing to protect them. Unlike, say, being in a car which is struck. Screw property damage, let's talk serious personal injury. And about the fastest way to get stopped by a cop is to run a red light in a car. <BR><BR>Cars that run red lights are considered so serious that in many states and countries, they are automatically photographed and issued with penalty points. No cops even required. This has certainly had the effect of substantially reducing the running of red lights by cars. Now, if only cyclists would learn as well. <BR><BR>People's most common complaints about cyclists? Seems to be the running of red lights. That Newsweek article's common theme? Running red lights (including the guy who picked up his bike and RAN through the red light. The
red lights are a big deal. Put your big girl panties on and learn to deal with it.<BR><BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Speaking of percentages, I wonder what percentage of property damage are responsible by cars versus bikes? Or personal injuries? Or deaths? The enforcement should be proportional to the potential harm. I'm guessing it isn't.<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 3:15 PM, Anne Wolfe <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:goannego@gmail.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:goannego@gmail.com">goannego@gmail.com</A>></SPAN> wrote:<BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr>Look at it in terms of percentages. What percentage of traffic violations (and/or police time) in Cambridge are given to cars? What percentage are given to bikes? <BR><BR>If you want to complain about non-enforcement of traffic laws against vehicles, the time to do it is not during grumbling for being caught running a red light. Because of course, while you might think it is safer, traffic and pedestrians coming the other way may well disagree when you hit them. Or they hit you. Etc. <BR><BR>I've seen a lot more cyclists in my day fail to signal a turn than drivers. And I've seen a whole lot of drivers fail to signal. <BR><BR>As an aside, I just noticed this on Newsweek. Feeding in with the Seattle and NYC issues, non-law abiding bikers are in for considerably more crackdowns everywhere it seems.<BR><BR><A href="http://www.newsweek.com/id/149224" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>http://www.newsweek.com/id/149224</A><BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>2008/7/30 Charvak Karpe <SPAN dir=ltr><<A href="mailto:charvak@alum.mit.edu" target=_blank rel=nofollow ymailto="mailto:charvak@alum.mit.edu">charvak@alum.mit.edu</A>></SPAN>
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<BLOCKQUOTE class=gmail_quote style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Yes, I've been stopped by the Cambridge bike cops for running the 77<BR>Mass Ave light. They only gave me a warning and told me that they'll<BR>be around town and I should stop the next time I see them so they<BR>don't write me a ticket. It's one more thing to be alert for,<BR>distracting me from dodging cars. I was polite, but I did ask why<BR>they don't do something more useful like ticket people for not using<BR>turn signals. They claimed that they write tickets for that too and<BR>enforce all laws. They thanked me for being green and "helping mother<BR>earth". I thanked them for the warning.<BR><BR>If I had time, I'd demand statistics of how many tickets the City of<BR>Cambridge has issued for failure to use turn signals and carry that<BR>with me for the next time I see them. Has anyone
heard of someone<BR>getting a ticket for turning without signalling?<BR><BR>It's not their fault that they've been assigned the bicycle<BR>enforcement shift, so the best they can do is hand out a bunch of<BR>warnings. We should be nice to those guys. One might expect the<BR>police to do useful things like track down stolen property or stop and<BR>ask questions when they see a bike lock being cut instead of writing<BR>bike tickets, but at least they're not pushing us off the bikes.<BR>Sarcasm aside, police presence does help keep drivers tamer than they<BR>would be otherwise. And although they vary as much as any group of<BR>people, most of them are pretty nice if you're nice to them and<BR>respectful of their authority.<BR><BR>------------------------------------------<BR><BR><BR>Agreed about the hypocrisy of these bicycle traps. Just this morning, at<BR>that very location, I was right behind a rider who was fined for
running<BR>the light ahead of me. With the reputation that Boston motorists have, I<BR>can't help but feel they have much bigger fish to fry.<BR><BR>However, I have to say that last Friday (in the afternoon, following the<BR>police-supported Bike Friday event that I attended) I was told by a cop to<BR>go if I saw a chance through the busy intersection. It was "the least<BR>they could do" because I was "sparing us all the gas." He was a really<BR>nice guy, and if I'd had the time, I'd have grabbed his badge number and<BR>commended him (leaving out the law breaking part of course) to his<BR>department.<BR>--<BR>James David Morgan<BR>Co-Founder and Designer<BR>The Groundswell Collective<BR><A href="http://www.groundswellcollective.com/" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.groundswellcollective.com/</A><BR><A href="http://blog.groundswellcollective.com/" target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://blog.groundswellcollective.com/</A><BR><BR>Jon
Ramos wrote:<BR>Speaking of the area near the Longfellow Bridge....<BR>There have been an increasing number of bike police traps in<BR>Cambridgelately.? I have noticed that they are spread out along my route<BR>at different locations, but they seem to always be at least one cop the<BR>intersection of Broadway & Main Street in Cambridge (just before the<BR>Longfellow).? I have watched other cyclist get stopped and ticketed a few<BR>times, usually when crossing with the pedestrian walk signal when all<BR>lights are red.<BR>?<BR>Here is a map of the spot:?<BR>(<A href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&saddr=Broadway+%4042.362770,+-71.084582&daddr=42.361977,-71.082423&hl=en&geocode=12899578198328372370,42.362770,-71.084582%3B6747366231024457007,42.362270,-71.083680&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=17&sll=42.362008,-71.082627&sspn=0.003623,0.006748&ie=UTF8&ll=42.363047,-71.08283&spn=0.014491,0.043302&z=15"
target=_blank rel=nofollow>http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&saddr=Broadway+%4042.362770,+-71.084582&daddr=42.361977,-71.082423&hl=en&geocode=12899578198328372370,42.362770,-71.084582%3B6747366231024457007,42.362270,-71.083680&mra=dme&mrcr=0&mrsp=1&sz=17&sll=42.362008,-71.082627&sspn=0.003623,0.006748&ie=UTF8&ll=42.363047,-71.08283&spn=0.014491,0.043302&z=15</A>)<BR>(In my opinion) I think it is good for the police to stop cyclists for<BR>blasting through a red light, but I personally think it is safer to cross<BR>that particular intersection with the pedestrian signal vs. waiting for<BR>the green and battling for a safe spot with the cars.<BR>?<BR>I also think it is ABSOLUTELY RIDICULOUS that the bike police at that<BR>intersection do NOTHING about all of the shuttles, taxis, large trucks,<BR>and cars that are parked in the bike lane less than 50 yards east from<BR>where the cops are handing out
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