<div dir="ltr">Oh, and I think it is also worth noting that the Mass Bike posting doesn't advocate trying to stop Critical Mass. It just advocates that mainstream cycling groups, those who have an agenda that includes following the rules, creating a safer environment for people to ride, and certain other things which are currently at odds with what the anarchic results of the current incarnations/perceptions of CM actively work to distance themselves from CM through a combination of means, including not riding, actively speaking out against CM, and declaring that CM is incompatible with the stated aims of these organisations. And thus, they can build a cohesive whole of their own community. Define community how you will, but each has their own norms, goals and rules. If the community is defined as "all cyclists" then whatever CM does won't matter - they're still in the community. If the community is defined as "all cyclists working for law abiding cycling and following certain rules" then CM by definition (no leaders, no rules) isn't going to fit. The extent to which the separation of the two happens is going to depend on what is desired. <br>
<br>They're defining their community. CM is defining its community. Cyclists will start to have to choose. Or not. The option is indeed open to make CM adhere to the rules proposed by the MB posting. But I think most CM people on this list won't want to do that, or will be thrwarted by the Mass who don't . But the choice is still there. <br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/7/29 Anne Wolfe <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:goannego@gmail.com">goannego@gmail.com</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div dir="ltr">As fun as that looks, the flip side of it is that it then still contributes the same negative issues that we've been talking about and that the Mass Bike posting discusses. A group of people, under the CM banner, on the sidewalk, on private property, cycling round and round and having to be kicked out by security. No respect for any rules or laws, that's the argument that is going to be put forward. Couple it in with the "riding down the halls of MIT" and other such actions and it is incredibly easy to see where the negativity is coming from regarding the public and CM. Sure, it is fun to ride around the fountains. I've done it myself. But if I was standing there and 20+ bikes started going round and round and round, intimidating me and having to be kicked out by security, the "disown CM, embrace Courteous Mass" movement just picked up another adherent, and yet another "those intimidating jerks of CM" starts making the rounds.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/7/29 Daniel Whitlow <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dwhitlow@mit.edu" target="_blank">dwhitlow@mit.edu</a>></span><div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
For people without facebook or people too lazy to sign on, here's the link:<br>
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<a href="http://photos-h.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v310/205/124/1022199047/n1022199047_115207_3704.jpg" target="_blank">http://photos-h.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v310/205/124/1022199047/n1022199047_115207_3704.jpg</a><br>
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Out of curiousity, does anybody else have any pictures from that ride?<br>
Was hoping for a few to remember my first CM by.<br>
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On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 11:43 PM, . nevele <<a href="mailto:symboliceon@hotmail.com" target="_blank">symboliceon@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> regarding all of the negative things being said regarding CM (trust me, i<br>
> have plenty of my own negative feedback) i'd just like everyone to see what<br>
> happened at the end of the last ride, unfortunately i think you need a<br>
> facebook membership to see it:<br>
> <a href="http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=115207&id=1022199047" target="_blank">http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=115207&id=1022199047</a><br>
><br>
> organized rides don't end like this; they don't randomly end up at the<br>
> fountain in the christian science church park with some folks riding around<br>
> it, and some riding inside the plooms (plumes? damnit.) of water. ofcourse<br>
> the 30 or so of us who were left were promptly kicked the hell out by<br>
> "security" but you just can't write that shit.<br>
><br>
> unorganized, chaotic rides like CM aren't necessarily supposed to be about<br>
> political gain, sometimes it's just about personal experiences.<br>
><br>
> i remember my first ride.. it was like magic. i was riding this BMX that i<br>
> was scared as shit to ride around the city (had my first dooring experience<br>
> on that lil guy) and the mass made me feel empowered. then i ditched that<br>
> bike and got a big ol' trek mtb and rode the mass a bunch of times, feeling<br>
> more and more empowered each time. eventually the rear axle on that beast<br>
> snapped and cracked the frame so i ended up with my fixie Moto a couple<br>
> years ago.<br>
><br>
> point being that the origin of the confidence i have while slicing through<br>
> traffic like a ripping hot chefs knife through warm butter is critical mass<br>
> and i teach others what i have learned. without the fun, sorta rebelious<br>
> nature of CM, i feel as tho a lot of folks just wouldn't ride.<br>
><br>
> jb<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
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>> From: <a href="mailto:jym@econet.org" target="_blank">jym@econet.org</a><br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:list@bostoncriticalmass.org" target="_blank">list@bostoncriticalmass.org</a><br>
>> Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 13:13:54 -0700<br>
>> Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Fwd: [massbike] Open letter to the Cycling Community<br>
>><br>
>> =v= Oh joy, another "Critical Mass Needs To End" opinion, on a<br>
>> Seattle blog:<br>
>><br>
>> <a href="http://seattlest.com/2008/07/28/seattle_critical_mass_needs_to_end.php" target="_blank">http://seattlest.com/2008/07/28/seattle_critical_mass_needs_to_end.php</a><br>
>><br>
>> Naturally, it proceeds from false premises.<br>
>><br>
>> =v= Critical Mass is turning 16 in a few months. Old enough<br>
>> to drive, but smart enough not to.<br>
>> <_Jym_><br>
>><br>
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