<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Maybe those MIT kids will hack a velodrome or bikelanes for us ;-)<div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>Ya never know.</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>-E</div><div><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div>PS: Sorry for the hi-jack</div><div><br><div><div>On Jan 8, 2008, at 9:04 AM, Wolfe, Anne wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div lang="EN-GB" link="blue" vlink="blue"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="State"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="Street"><o:smarttagtype namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="address"><div class="Section1"><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="blue" face="Book Antiqua"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Book Antiqua'; color: blue; ">I have to concur. I felt the statement that there was “plenty of room for pedestrians to get out of the way of a cyclist” is the same argument that “there’s plenty of room for bikes to get out of the way of cars” argument that gets CM hot under the collar.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="blue" face="Book Antiqua"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Book Antiqua'; color: blue; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="blue" face="Book Antiqua"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Book Antiqua'; color: blue; ">Equally the implication that because CM IS traffic (and indeed it is), it somehow cannot be blocking traffic. Traffic can block traffic, and indeed does quite frequently. If bike traffic blocked other bike traffic your moral high ground would be lost. And yet somehow, you feel that because bike traffic blocks motor traffic this furthers the argument for people to give us better recognition as traffic. <o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="blue" face="Book Antiqua"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Book Antiqua'; color: blue; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="blue" face="Book Antiqua"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Book Antiqua'; color: blue; ">I love cycling. I love cycling through the streets of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:city w:st="on">Boston</st1:city><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>and<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Cambridge</st1:place></st1:city><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>when I can. But these same arguments go around every time something gets written, and people seem to feel that unless it is entirely uncritical of CM it is somehow against them. I don’t think it was a particularly great article, but I’m not surprised the Globe let it fly. “Controversial group, knowing journalist is in middle and writing about it, opts to trek through corridors on private property.” That kind of headline sells, I’m afraid. And almost entirely at CM’s expense. It certainly isn’t going to let the MIT or<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Cambridge</st1:place></st1:city><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>police ease up on us at all.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" color="blue" face="Book Antiqua"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Book Antiqua'; color: blue; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div><div class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align: center; margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 12pt; "><hr size="2" width="100%" align="center" tabindex="-1"></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; font-weight: bold; ">From:</span></font></b><font size="2" face="Tahoma"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:bostoncriticalmass-bounces@bostoncriticalmass.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">bostoncriticalmass-bounces@bostoncriticalmass.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[<a href="mailto:bostoncriticalmass-bounces@bostoncriticalmass.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:bostoncriticalmass-bounces@bostoncriticalmass.org</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span></b>Jon Ramos<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Sent:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>08 January 2008 13:57<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">To:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Boston Critical Mass<br><b><span style="font-weight: bold; ">Subject:</span></b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [*BCM*] Bostoncriticalmass Digest, Vol 43, Issue 3</span></font><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div><p style="margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; ">Regardless of how wide the corridor, how slow you were going, or how f-ing magical YOU may have thought it was; I'm sure there were irritated people who felt too intimidated to stand up to 20-30 rouge cyclists pedaling down their college corridor. I know I would be. It is very disrespectful to bike through an institution's private interior and CM has no business being there. Stick to the PUBLIC roads. <o:p></o:p></span></font></p><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="2" face="Arial"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; "><o:p> </o:p></span></font></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">----- Original Message ----<br>From: Philip Stango <<a href="mailto:prstango@gmail.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">prstango@gmail.com</a>><br>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:list@bostoncriticalmass.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">list@bostoncriticalmass.org</a><br>Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 1:34:57 AM<br>Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Bostoncriticalmass Digest, Vol 43, Issue 3<br><br>Rather than make judgments about the ride through the MIT corridor based on speculation, how about taking an account from someone who was there. We went through in single file, and the corridor was quite wide, likely more than 8-10 feet. There was plenty of room for "pedestrians to get out of the way from a bicycle." Passers-by strolled calmly in the opposite direction as we pedaled by, single file, at a leisurely pace, while others hardly looked up from their laptops as they sat at benches. It was much more magical/whimsical than anything else. Given our small numbers and the small number of passers-by, it was very much dissimilar to a car going down a sidewalk. Not something to be repeated with a larger group or during the semester, but certainly a treat for all involved, I reckon.<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">On Jan 7, 2008 7:14 PM, <<a href="mailto:bostoncriticalmass-request@bostoncriticalmass.org" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:bostoncriticalmass-request@bostoncriticalmass.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">bostoncriticalmass-request@bostoncriticalmass.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></font></div><div style="margin-top: 0cm; margin-right: 0cm; margin-left: 0cm; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman'; "><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><span style="font-size: 12pt; ">Send Bostoncriticalmass mailing list submissions to<br> <a href="mailto:bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org</a><br><br>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <a href="http://lists.bostoncoop.net/mailman/listinfo/bostoncriticalmass" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://lists.bostoncoop.net/mailman/listinfo/bostoncriticalmass</a><br>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <a href="mailto:bostoncriticalmass-request@bostoncriticalmass.org" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:bostoncriticalmass-request@bostoncriticalmass.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">bostoncriticalmass-request@bostoncriticalmass.org</a><br><br>You can reach the person managing the list at<br> <a href="mailto:bostoncriticalmass-owner@bostoncriticalmass.org" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:bostoncriticalmass-owner@bostoncriticalmass.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>bostoncriticalmass-owner@bostoncriticalmass.org</a><br><br>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific<br>than "Re: Contents of Bostoncriticalmass digest..."<br><br><br>Today's Topics:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br> 1. Re: Thoughts, or what was the thinking at MIT and....<br> (Dan Barrett)<br> 2. Re: Thoughts, or what was the thinking at MIT and.... (Ari Pollak)<br> 3. Re: Thoughts, or what was the thinking at MIT and.... (Jon Ramos)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> 4. Thoughts, or what was the thinking at the MSM ... (Jym Dyer)<br> 5. Re: Thoughts, or what was the thinking at the MSM ...<br> (Adam Rosi-Kessel)<br> 6. Re: Thoughts, or what was the thinking at the MSM ... (Ari Pollak)<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> 7. Re: Thoughts, or what was the thinking at the MSM ... (Adam Shoop)<br> 8. Re: Thoughts, or what was the thinking at the MSM ... (Jym Dyer)<br> 9. Re: Thoughts, or what was the thinking at the MSM ...<br> (<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:thom3@aol.com" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:thom3@aol.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">thom3@aol.com</a>)<br> 10. Re: Thoughts, or what was the thinking at MIT and....<br> (Hiroyuki G Yamada)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 12:15:19 -0500 (EST)<br>From: "Dan Barrett" <<a href="mailto:dbx@pobox.com" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:dbx@pobox.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">dbx@pobox.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Thoughts, or what was the thinking at MIT and....<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">bostoncriticalmass@bostoncriticalmass.org</a><br>Message-ID:<br> <<a href="mailto:48126.208.27.111.121.1199726119.squirrel@webmail.offthehill.org" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:48126.208.27.111.121.1199726119.squirrel@webmail.offthehill.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>48126.208.27.111.121.1199726119.squirrel@webmail.offthehill.org</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1<br><br>The article reminded me of my long-held desire to ride through the Star<br>Market in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">Porter Square</st1:address></st1:street>.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:26:10 -0500<br>From: Ari Pollak <<a href="mailto:ajp@aripollak.com" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:ajp@aripollak.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ajp@aripollak.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Thoughts, or what was the thinking at MIT and....<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:thom3@aol.com" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:thom3@aol.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">thom3@aol.com</a><br>Cc:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:list@bostoncriticalmass.org" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:list@bostoncriticalmass.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">list@bostoncriticalmass.org</a><br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:1199726770.17290.64.camel@apollak.lab.compete.com" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:1199726770.17290.64.camel@apollak.lab.compete.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>1199726770.17290.64.camel@apollak.lab.compete.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain<br><br>I don't think there was ever a followup on the list, and I think I was<br>too far ahead on that ride to notice the arrest.<br><br>On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 12:22 -0500,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:thom3@aol.com" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:thom3@aol.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">thom3@aol.com</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br>> Oh yeah, an oldie but a goodie.....<br>><br>> do you recall what ever happened to the person?<br>><br>><br>> Tom<br>><br>><br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: Ari Pollak <<a href="mailto:ajp@aripollak.com" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:ajp@aripollak.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ajp@aripollak.com</a>><br>> To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:thom3@aol.com" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:thom3@aol.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">thom3@aol.com</a><br>> Sent: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 12:18 pm<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Thoughts, or what was the thinking at MIT and....<br>><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://bostoncriticalmass.org/pipermail/bostoncriticalmass/2006-April/001172.html" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://bostoncriticalmass.org/pipermail/bostoncriticalmass/2006-April/001172.html<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></a><br>><br>> I suppose that could've been State Police activity since the post did<br>> not specify, but still...<br>><br>> On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 11:49 -0500,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:thom3@aol.com" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:thom3@aol.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">thom3@aol.com<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></a>wrote:<br>> > can you elaborate as to why it is an understatement?<br>><br>> ><br>><br>><br>> ______________________________________________________________________<br>> More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail!<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 10:19:06 -0800 (PST)<br>From: Jon Ramos <<a href="mailto:jontramos@yahoo.com" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:jontramos@yahoo.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">jontramos@yahoo.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Thoughts, or what was the thinking at MIT and....<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:dbx@pobox.com" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:dbx@pobox.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">dbx@pobox.com</a>,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:list@bostoncriticalmass.org" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:list@bostoncriticalmass.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">list@bostoncriticalmass.org</a><br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:987987.84829.qm@web50008.mail.re2.yahoo.com" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:987987.84829.qm@web50008.mail.re2.yahoo.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">987987.84829.qm@web50008.mail.re2.yahoo.com<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br>I missed the December ride due to my broken right hand, (bicycle accident, hit by a car on Tremont St) but I have to say that I am appalled that the group rode through a building. Corking traffic, and giving angry motorists 'the business' is one thing, because we have a right to be there etc, etc... but inside a building? that's just not cool. There is no place in a corridor for a pedestrian to get out of the way from a bicycle, in that situation we are analogous to cars driving down bike lanes & sidewalks. We dont have a right to be there. The December ride sounds like it may have been fun, but really it just made CM riders look like real a-holes.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>- Jon<br><br><br>----- Original Message ----<br>From: Dan Barrett <<a href="mailto:dbx@pobox.com" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:dbx@pobox.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">dbx@pobox.com</a>><br>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:list@bostoncriticalmass.org" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:list@bostoncriticalmass.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">list@bostoncriticalmass.org</a><br>Sent: Monday, January 7, 2008 12:15:19 PM<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Thoughts, or what was the thinking at MIT and....<br><br>The article reminded me of my long-held desire to ride through the Star<br>Market in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">Porter Square</st1:address></st1:street>.<br><br>_______________________________________________<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Boston Critical Mass mailing list<br><a href="mailto:list@bostoncriticalmass.org" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:list@bostoncriticalmass.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">list@bostoncriticalmass.org</a><br><a href="http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list</a><br>To unsubscribe email<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:list-unsubscribe@bostoncriticalmass.org" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:list-unsubscribe@bostoncriticalmass.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">list-unsubscribe@bostoncriticalmass.org</a><br><br><br> ____________________________________________________________________________________<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.<br><a href="http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs</a><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL:<a href="http://lists.bostoncoop.net/pipermail/bostoncriticalmass/attachments/20080107/50a9ce84/attachment-0001.htm" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://lists.bostoncoop.net/pipermail/bostoncriticalmass/attachments/20080107/50a9ce84/attachment-0001.htm<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></a><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 4<br>Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 11:42:25 -0800<br>From: Jym Dyer <<a href="mailto:jym@econet.org" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:jym@econet.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">jym@econet.org</a>><br>Subject: [*BCM*] Thoughts, or what was the thinking at the MSM ...<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>To: Boston CM <<a href="mailto:list@bostoncriticalmass.org" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:list@bostoncriticalmass.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">list@bostoncriticalmass.org</a>><br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:Jym.07Jan2008.47828083@econet.org" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:Jym.07Jan2008.47828083@econet.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Jym.07Jan2008.47828083@econet.org</a>><br><br><a href="http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2008/01/06/achieving_critical_mass/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2008/01/06/achieving_critical_mass/</a><br><br>=v= As feared, an article hopped up on an unrepresentative<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>sampling of controversies and riddled with inaccuracies.<br><br>| ... and about 300 other cities ...<br><br>=1= Wow, good thing I pointed the guy to the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://www.critical-mass.org/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.critical-mass.org<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></a><br>website which documents 450 cities.<br><br>| ... or just blocking traffic.<br><br>=2= Um, BEING traffic. Editorialize much?<br><br>| Critical Mass has caused contention in many communities - from<br>|<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:state w:st="on">New York</st1:state>, where hundreds of massers were arrested at the 2004<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>| Republican National Convention, to<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">San Francisco</st1:place></st1:city>, where Mayor<br>| Willie Brown declared war on the group.<br><br>=3= Editorialize much about who caused what? I suppose NYC's<br>August 2004 ride (which a fact-checker should have noticed was<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>*before* the RNC) "caused" 1800 people to be arrested over the<br>next weekend, too, huh?<br><br>=4= The police attack on the July 1997 ride in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">San Francisco</st1:place></st1:city><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>was<br>indeed Willie Brown declaring war on us, but the "cause" was a<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>massive traffic jam on the day of the June 1997 ride, which was<br>underway before the ride even began, then blamed on the ride<br>after the fact.<br><br>| The group's activities have spawned the term "U-lock justice"<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>=5= Wrong. That term goes back at least to the 1980s.<br> <_Jym_><br><br><br><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 5<br>Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 13:55:59 -0500<br>From: Adam Rosi-Kessel <<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:adam@rosi-kessel.org" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:adam@rosi-kessel.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">adam@rosi-kessel.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Thoughts, or what was the thinking at the MSM ...<br>To: Boston CM <<a href="mailto:list@bostoncriticalmass.org" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:list@bostoncriticalmass.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">list@bostoncriticalmass.org<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></a>><br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:478275BF.8060203@rosi-kessel.org" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:478275BF.8060203@rosi-kessel.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">478275BF.8060203@rosi-kessel.org</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed<br><br>Jym Dyer wrote:<br>> | The group's activities have spawned the term "U-lock justice"<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> =5= Wrong. That term goes back at least to the 1980s.<br><br>And, just for the record, I never mentioned "civil disobedience." And my<br>name is spelled with one L.<br><br><br>------------------------------<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Message: 6<br>Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:05:44 -0500<br>From: Ari Pollak <<a href="mailto:ajp@aripollak.com" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:ajp@aripollak.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">ajp@aripollak.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Thoughts, or what was the thinking at the MSM ...<br>To: Boston Critical Mass <<a href="mailto:list@bostoncriticalmass.org" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:list@bostoncriticalmass.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">list@bostoncriticalmass.org</a>><br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:1199732744.17290.86.camel@apollak.lab.compete.com" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:1199732744.17290.86.camel@apollak.lab.compete.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">1199732744.17290.86.camel@apollak.lab.compete.com<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain<br><br>Sounds like a letter to the editor is in order.<br><br>On Mon, 2008-01-07 at 13:55 -0500, Adam Rosi-Kessel wrote:<br>> And, just for the record, I never mentioned "civil disobedience." And my<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> name is spelled with one L.<br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 7<br>Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 14:19:40 -0500<br>From: "Adam Shoop" <<a href="mailto:info@adamshoop.org" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:info@adamshoop.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">info@adamshoop.org<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></a>><br>Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Thoughts, or what was the thinking at the MSM ...<br>To: "'Boston Critical Mass'" <<a href="mailto:list@bostoncriticalmass.org" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:list@bostoncriticalmass.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">list@bostoncriticalmass.org</a>><br>Message-ID: <00c001c85162$41ca9720$6402a8c0@DG9BNJ41><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br>There are some pertinent comments on the Boston Fixed Gear forums as well.<br><br>Here's the main one:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><a href="http://bostonfixed.us/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=434&page=1" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://bostonfixed.us/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=434&page=1</a><br><br>And then one on what would make a better article:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><a href="http://bostonfixed.us/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=435&page=1" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://bostonfixed.us/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=435&page=1</a><br><br>-AS<br><br><br><br>------------------------------<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Message: 8<br>Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 12:44:06 -0800<br>From: Jym Dyer <<a href="mailto:jym@econet.org" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:jym@econet.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">jym@econet.org</a>><br>Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Thoughts, or what was the thinking at the MSM ...<br>To: Boston CM <<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:list@bostoncriticalmass.org" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:list@bostoncriticalmass.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">list@bostoncriticalmass.org</a>><br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:Jym.07Jan2008.47828ef8@econet.org" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:Jym.07Jan2008.47828ef8@econet.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Jym.07Jan2008.47828ef8@econet.org</a>><br><br>> the article is pretty much amature hour IMHO<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>=v= Well, the guy was upfront about his amateur status when he<br>came to this list asking for information. What bothers me is<br>that he was given access to resources that would have made his<br>article more accurate, and apparently ignored them.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>=v= I could tell by his second inquiry that he wanted to focus<br>on the whiz! bang! pow! controversial! stuff, and warned that<br>it would lead to dishonestly unrepresentative reporting. And<br>lo, it came to pass.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br> <_Jym_><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 9<br>Date: Mon, 07 Jan 2008 14:50:45 -0500<br>From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:thom3@aol.com" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:thom3@aol.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">thom3@aol.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Thoughts, or what was the thinking at the MSM ...<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:list@bostoncriticalmass.org" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:list@bostoncriticalmass.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">list@bostoncriticalmass.org</a>,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:list@bostoncriticalmass.org" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:list@bostoncriticalmass.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">list@bostoncriticalmass.org</a><br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:8CA1F7DBA6649B6-F88-1074@webmail-da21.sysops.aol.com" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:8CA1F7DBA6649B6-F88-1074@webmail-da21.sysops.aol.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>8CA1F7DBA6649B6-F88-1074@webmail-da21.sysops.aol.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"<br><br>right RE his status and I agree he was immensely lazy in his ability to do research. I am just amazed that The Boston Globe let this shit fly.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>I also think the POV is weird and sounds like the guy?drove a car along side the group and occassiobnally stops and asked "What are you feeling, what are you thinking?"<br><br>It's total crap, and why did he not wait til the thaw when a more "typical"/robust CM ride happens....<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><br>Tom<br><br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Jym Dyer <<a href="mailto:jym@econet.org" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:jym@econet.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">jym@econet.org</a>><br>To: Boston CM <<a href="mailto:list@bostoncriticalmass.org" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:list@bostoncriticalmass.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">list@bostoncriticalmass.org<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></a>><br>Sent: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 3:44 pm<br>Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Thoughts, or what was the thinking at the MSM ...<br><br><br><br>> the article is pretty much amature hour IMHO<br><br>=v= Well, the guy was upfront about his amateur status when he<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>came to this list asking for information. What bothers me is<br>that he was given access to resources that would have made his<br>article more accurate, and apparently ignored them.<br><br>=v= I could tell by his second inquiry that he wanted to focus<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>on the whiz! bang! pow! controversial! stuff, and warned that<br>it would lead to dishonestly unrepresentative reporting. And<br>lo, it came to pass.<br> <_Jym_><br><br>_______________________________________________<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>Boston Critical Mass mailing list<br><a href="mailto:list@bostoncriticalmass.org" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:list@bostoncriticalmass.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">list@bostoncriticalmass.org</a><br><a href="http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list</a><br>To unsubscribe email<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:list-unsubscribe@bostoncriticalmass.org" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:list-unsubscribe@bostoncriticalmass.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">list-unsubscribe@bostoncriticalmass.org</a><br><br><br>________________________________________________________________________<br>More new features than ever. Check out the new AOL Mail ! -<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://webmail.aol.com/" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://webmail.aol.com</a><br>-------------- next part --------------<br>An HTML attachment was scrubbed...<br>URL:<a href="http://lists.bostoncoop.net/pipermail/bostoncriticalmass/attachments/20080107/3762b8cf/attachment-0001.htm" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://lists.bostoncoop.net/pipermail/bostoncriticalmass/attachments/20080107/3762b8cf/attachment-0001.htm</a><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 10<br>Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 19:14:28 -0500 (EST)<br>From: Hiroyuki G Yamada <<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:hyamada@MIT.EDU" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:hyamada@MIT.EDU" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">hyamada@MIT.EDU</a>><br>Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Thoughts, or what was the thinking at MIT and....<br>To: Boston Critical Mass <<a href="mailto:list@bostoncriticalmass.org" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:list@bostoncriticalmass.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">list@bostoncriticalmass.org<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></a>><br>Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:Pine.LNX.4.64L.0801071909540.12160@vinegar-pot.mit.edu" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:Pine.LNX.4.64L.0801071909540.12160@vinegar-pot.mit.edu" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">Pine.LNX.4.64L.0801071909540.12160@vinegar-pot.mit.edu</a>><br>Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Keep In mind though, that MIT wasn't in session at this point -- Finals<br>were over the 21st and most people students gone by the 22nd or 23rd. The<br>remaining grad students etc were probably a minuscule proportion of the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>usual traffic in the infinite corridor and this was probably taken into<br>consideration when the ride through MIT was suggested. Also, with only 30<br>riders (if the article is to be trusted on that count) it also wouldn't<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>have been as bad. Probably not the best of ideas on a friday in the middle<br>of term, with 300+ riders, to go traipsing through a corridor, but in that<br>particular instance, I can't imagine that it was too much trouble.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><br>As for the article, it sounds like he wanted to get as "good" of an<br>article out (his standard for good might have been exciting or "wham pow,"<br>vs an actual editorially accurate and well-written piece) with as little<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>work -- just trolling around on wikipedia could have given him the<br>information he posted. Given how responsive<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:city w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Boston</st1:place></st1:city>'s CM list was, it<br>certainly seems that he could have gotten a more in-depth look at our<br>particular ride.<br><br>(Perhaps written up a blurb about the arrest over at<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">Harvard Square</st1:address></st1:street><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>in the<br>(I think) October ride?)<br><br>--Yuki<br><br>On Mon, 7 Jan 2008, Jon Ramos wrote:<br><br>> I missed the December ride due to my broken right hand, (bicycle accident, hit by a car on Tremont St) but I have to say that I am appalled that the group rode through a building. Corking traffic, and giving angry motorists 'the business' is one thing, because we have a right to be there etc, etc... but inside a building? that's just not cool. There is no place in a corridor for a pedestrian to get out of the way from a bicycle, in that situation we are analogous to cars driving down bike lanes & sidewalks. We dont have a right to be there. The December ride sounds like it may have been fun, but really it just made CM riders look like real a-holes.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><br>> - Jon<br>><br>><br>> ----- Original Message ----<br>> From: Dan Barrett <<a href="mailto:dbx@pobox.com" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:dbx@pobox.com" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">dbx@pobox.com</a>><br>> To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:list@bostoncriticalmass.org" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:list@bostoncriticalmass.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">list@bostoncriticalmass.org<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></a><br>> Sent: Monday, January 7, 2008 12:15:19 PM<br>> Subject: Re: [*BCM*] Thoughts, or what was the thinking at MIT and....<br>><br>> The article reminded me of my long-held desire to ride through the Star<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Market in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><st1:street w:st="on"><st1:address w:st="on">Porter Square</st1:address></st1:street>.<br>><br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Boston Critical Mass mailing list<br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:list@bostoncriticalmass.org" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:list@bostoncriticalmass.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">list@bostoncriticalmass.org</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list" target="_blank" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list</a><br>> To unsubscribe email<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:list-unsubscribe@bostoncriticalmass.org" target="_blank" ymailto="mailto:list-unsubscribe@bostoncriticalmass.org" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">list-unsubscribe@bostoncriticalmass.org<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></a><br>><br>><br>> ____________________________________________________________________________________<br>> Never miss a thing. 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