<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Hi!</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Sorry for this unfocused mail, hope you guys understand what I'm trying to get to...</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I am a longtime lurker on the site but decided to get in on the discussion about listing good / bad streets. II think it would be fantastic with a dynamic bike map of Boston. Tripp Hyde has a good idea, but get it to work I think it's needed to be a more combined effort with a dedicated server to store the information. It is actually very easy to combine your own geographical data with Google maps. A good example is <A href="http://www.mapmyrun.com">http://www.mapmyrun.com</A>.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>The problems around such a project are not technical but rather how to build a community that can maintain the information and have it up to date. I think that should be possible though.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>My suggestions for such a project would be to start very small but with the goal for something grand in the end. With the following information available</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>* Good bike routs.</DIV><DIV>* Bad roads / road sections</DIV><DIV>* Suggested bike trips.</DIV><DIV>* Dangerous permanent obstacles (pot holes, weird intersections, etc.)</DIV><DIV>* Dangerous temporary obstacles (Open manholes, Container on the road etc)</DIV><DIV>* Incidents and accidents.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Imagine a site where people can find a safe way to get to work, suggestions on where to go for a ride on Sunday, and E-mail notifications on obstacles in the road. You can go there and report problems and accidents and Massbike etc can at the end of the year go to the City with hard statistics on what has happened to bikers, and where. </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>The information can be produced in many different ways. Either via using external web-interface, such as mapmyrun.com, via GPS, or if someone have access to GIS software. It is also possible to build an own input system in the long run.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><DIV><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><DIV><FONT class="Apple-style-span" color="#222222" face="Verdana">What do you guys think? 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