<div>Turtle,</div> <div> </div> <div>there may be some truth the "everything's related to everything" concept, but then we should call this an EVERYTHING forum, not a bicycle forum. </div> <div> </div> <div>This thread has gone WAY WAY off on a tangent, to the point where responses have more to do with personal political beliefs on war. GO FIND A WAR forum.</div> <div> </div> <div>I do enjoy when things get going off on a tangent, it can be a lot of fun. but this is getting to the point where I considering taking myself off the list.</div> <div> </div> <div>How you goona spread you world changing bicycle opinions if nobody wants to listen anymore because your not talking to a bicycle audience about war...</div> <div> </div> <div>- JON</div> <div><BR><B><I>turtle <turtle@zworg.com></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px
solid"><BR><BR>Boston Critical Mass <LIST@BOSTONCRITICALMASS.ORG>wrote:<BR><BR>> <BR>> Is there a bike forum somewhere around here....?<BR>> <BR>> - Jon<BR><BR>Well, while the social atmosphere in Iraq may not seem to have much to<BR>do with bicycling in Boston, it does. We don't bike in a vacuum. We<BR>bike in the world. And what's going on in the world, especially<BR>relating to people's hopes and fears, effects absolutely everything. <BR>When people are afraid, they act defensively and selfishly. On the<BR>roads, in their homes, and in the voting booth. <BR><BR>Remember the Butterfly Effect? The idea of chaos theory is that a<BR>butterfly could flap it's wings in China and cause a hurricane in<BR>Kansas. Everything relates to everything else. <BR><BR>So if you really want a better place to bike, you need to look at what<BR>is making that place, and the people who inhabit it, so antisocial.<BR><BR>Certainly, as I mentioned before, there are some people who,
for one<BR>reason or another, honestly want to fight as it gives them a sense of<BR>purpose and power. But the vast majority of people, as Anarchist<BR>Judaism also noticed, really don't want war, and just want to live a<BR>decent, peaceful life. Those normal folks are the ones who get sucked<BR>into war through fear. And those are the people we can work with and<BR>help - to be more conscientious roadusers, as well as more pro-social<BR>people in general.<BR><BR>-Turtle<BR><BR>----------------------------------<BR>"One day we must come to see that peace is not merely a distant goal we<BR>seek, but that it is a means by which we arrive at that goal. We must<BR>pursue peaceful ends through peaceful means." - Martin Luther King Jr.<BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Boston Critical Mass mailing list<BR>list@bostoncriticalmass.org<BR>http://bostoncriticalmass.org/list<BR>To unsubscribe email
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